Tuesday, April 14, 2009

I believe in Christianity and Evolution. Whare are your thoughts on that?

It%26#039;s not like Satan planted Fossils and such to trick us.





It%26#039;s truth.





A faith that requires you to close your mind in order to believe isn%26#039;t much of a faith at all.





The theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth. To reject it is to deliberately embrace scientific ingorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.





I believe among God%26#039;s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator.





I mean consider it. It%26#039;s observation, hypothesis, and testing. That%26#039;s what science is. It%26#039;s not religion. Evolution is a fact. It%26#039;s not a theory. An example is antibiotics. If we don%26#039;t use antibiotics apropriately, bacteria become resistant. That%26#039;s evolution, and evolution is a fact. To not acknowledge that is not ot acknowledge the world around you.





Bottom line: I completely accept and affirm the view of God as creator, but I accomadate evolution within that.





Your thoughts?

I believe in Christianity and Evolution. Whare are your thoughts on that?
A belief in god and evolution is mainly a problem for closed-minded bible literalists...typically fundamentalists, who believe that every word in the bible is written as god intended.





The problem you face is this. If the bible isn%26#039;t taken as a literal document of belief, how do you choose which bits to believe and which bits not to believe? So, is execution right or wrong...because the bible is both %26quot;for%26quot; and %26quot;against%26quot;. Same for homosexuality (although not in modern terms).





Most scientists I know who are christians accomodate this dilemma by using the bible as a broad belief framework - which is perfectly acceptable - and they talk about how they are able to draw their values from this position, but they keep an open mind about what science discovers and how science can help.





Bible literalists have a hard time trying to present their ideas without attacking science, as though science is some kind of enemy - the kind of enemy that will end up saving their lives from cancer or serious accident someday. The greatest disservice these people play in society is to present the idea to children that science is somehow seriously flawed and that nothing can ever be proven - unlike their belief system, however, which has a complete video record of god creating the earth in 6 days (sorry, that was sarcasm...something bible literalists will have a hard time understanding).





To Vangyblue below - that%26#039;s the biggest pile of nonsense I%26#039;ve read for for at least 30 minutes. All the evidence of the failure of American education is present in your response.
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Reply:You may be right.


I am very much an outspoken Christian. I am open to new ideas.
Reply:Religion is the why and science is the how they go hand in hand. Totally agree with you.
Reply:I agree with you....I believe in both as well...God bless
Reply:i believe evolution is an atheistic religion. that it cannot be possible for a christian to believ both because he would then be denying that man was created in the image of God.





now when it comes to things changing to fit the environment (adaptation) i believe that, which fits in with your antibiotic theory, but to say that everything started off as micro organisms isn%26#039;t biblical at all...





oh and the whole earth being millions of years old thing? did you know that recently carbon dating has been proven to be horribly inaccurate?





i believe in science, but not in the way others view it.





evolution is not a scientific truth. it has never been proven and it cannot be proven.





at this moment it does not matter... when ever i am in heaven i will know everything i need to or want to on the subject so i am not concerned with knowing it now.
Reply:Personally, I think evolution the theory has NOTHING to do with the %26quot;god%26quot; belief or lack thereof. :-) I say go for it---if you can accomodate both in your Christian faith, more power to you. :-) Btw, I am agnostic and an evolutionist. ;-)
Reply:WHat seems to me to be the best integration of these to ideas was put most simply by a 14 year old. Evolution (and I realize this is a gross oversimplification of both concepts) basically states that all life began from dust or dirt and has evolved and grown from there. In the Bible God used dirt or dust to create humans. The gaps in time from the %26quot;creation event%26quot; if it all happened in one moment (which I tend to disagree with) and the time when it was recorded are so vast that an absolutely literal interpretation of scripture on this matter is impossible. To me, evolution is one more aspect of a world that is so very orderly it seems impossible that it would be mere coincidence for it to exist. Thus, both science and Christian coincide quite nicely.
Reply:Since all the evidence on the theory of evolution is still being discovered, day-by-day, scientists debate this issue as in the article included below that came out recently:
Reply:you cant believe in both. its impossible.





To be a person of reason and intellect you have to believe the facts, not the theories.





All Scientists now admit that the universe began at a certain point in time. There was a time when there was no universe but then it began. The law of science is that if something begins to exist, that thing must have a cause to exist. If it begins to exist there must be a cause. When you look at what began to exist (the Universe) you end up assigning attributes to the cause; extremely powerful, extremely intelligent, and about 5 attributes that apply to the “cause”…you begin to see a very clear picture of the God of the Christian Bible. That is exactly how the Bible describes God. He is everywhere, full of wisdom and truth, and there is nothing he can’t do. The Law of First Cause says you got to have some cause that causes the cause to happen. Because there is time, someone must have started it because we have it therefore there needs to be an “eternal [being]” that started it if there is time and matter. And the Bible demonstrates God is eternal, and the creation demonstrates the power of God, and eternity written on your heart and the conscience he has given us leaves us without of excuse and this leads us directly to the God of the Bible.





The DNA Evidence. Take a cell, contained within that if you unravel the dna it is about 6 feet long unraveled and it is filled with a chemical alphabet that is encoded instructions that tells each cell of the body what it is and what it does, how it is to function. It’s a 4 digit chemical alphabet that is information. Now, Imagine you see some ripples in the sand on a beach near the shore. You can see nature created that pattern in the sand. But if you saw a big heart in the sand with initials carved inside it. there is no way you can conclude that the water washed over the sand and created that, because its not a pattern it is information. You can not have information contained in something without someone placing the information there. Its impossible, we know that. When you look at DNA its not a pattern - like we see in Nature, its clear cut information…complex information at the cellular level. That gives us proof positive because of logic and the laws of science that someone put that information there. We know who that is; It is the God who made us, who cares enough about us to tell us who he is and how he operates through His Word.





Each person has 50 trillion cells with 46 dna strands in each cell that are 6 feet long. If you unwound them they would stretch from the moon to the earth 5 million round trips. If you typed out the code in a book you can fill the grand canyon with books for your dna code 40 times. Someone creative and really amazingly brilliant created mankind. Its so obvious even when you approach it from an intelligent and objective scientific perspective it is that obvious there is a Creator, why would anyone deny it? I believe the number one cause of Atheism is either (1) pride, (2) sin, or (3) dirtiness: someone thinks God cant forgive them for something that happened in their past. Pride means there is something greater than myself that I cant sit on my throne and make my own decisions and be in control but I am going to have to surrender myself completely and bow my knee to the King. OR, Sin: I’m living my life and I bow to this God I have to stop committing a sin that I really really love, OR Dirtiness: some people think they have done something so bad or something happened to them they feel so dirty and they think there is no way God can forgive them.





The chance of formation of life from non life has been calculated at 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power… How big is that? Compare it to the estimated number of atoms in the known universe 10 to the 79th power. So take one atom paint an x on it throw it back in the universe shuffle all the atoms around and the chance you would randomly pick that marked atom on the first try is 10 to the 79th power . For life to begin from non life is 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power. This shows there’s no way we got here by ourselves.








Oh, evolutionists also have a problem with the %26quot;missing link%26quot; issue. Fact: We have an Ape and a Human. There are millions of missing links (transitional forms) that are still missing. You would think Scientists would have found one by now ! Source(s) http://www.NeedGod.com


Science simply means %26quot;With%26quot; %26quot;Knowledge%26quot; and you sin against God if you dont believe that he created everything... because it means you dont take him at his word. You are basically calling him a liar. He told you how he created the world and you dont believe him.
Reply:I think you hit the nail right on the head. Bravo!





There is NO religion vs. science. They are not mutually exclusive. They are pretty much the same thing, but different. They both complement each other.





Einstein once said %26quot;science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind%26quot;.
Reply:You wont believe in Evolution and Christianity when the inquisition comes knocking at your door at 6am in the morning.





Heretic
Reply:i didn%26#039;t read ur little novel there, but the title is TOTALLY headed in the right direction.





sadly.....few people in the world would agree with us.


take it to the streets brother! jk...well, have fun if you do, lol.
Reply:I%26#039;m not so sure I belive in evolution. If it is a fact why haven%26#039;t they found fossils in between, or half and half? Why is it only limited to antibiotics? I am a Christian. I belive God created all things. but im not so sure bout evolution. feel free to explain.



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